Why the next civilization is NOT Rome

Last post 1 hour, 15 minutes ago by Reaper707723. 10 replies.

• Why the next civilization is NOT Rome First and foremost I wanted to say that some people have "leaked" information, trying to proof that Rome is the next civ. However, there's no point in those "leaks": 1.) The information could simply be fake. 2.) Posting those leaks gets you banned for you trying to proof old news: 3.) There have been signs that GPG is working on a Roman civ since january and proofs could be found in their official videos. So, we know without any leaks that Romans are being worked on. But why aren't they the next civilization? I'm going to use official information only to proof this: 1.) They're working on a overhaul for the quest campaigns: We also intend a major re-thinking of the structure for the existing and future campaigns to improve the "build an empire" feel of Age of Empires. Work has started on these changes?but we aren't quite ready to divulge the details. Yet. If they're already working on it might be wise to just create the Roman campaing with that new structure in mind and just wait with their release until that structure is implemented for other civs also. 2.) They have been working on the Romans since January (see above). Developing a Pro civilization is a lot faster than developing a Premium civilization, because Premium civs usually come with new gear types and more advanced features than Pro civilizations as well as a dozens of quests. GPG worked on the Celts for nearly a year, this might also be true for the Romans. Between the release of Premium civs GPG always squeezed in a Pro civ. 3.) In the video I linked above the Roman art was already finished while they still had modelers, texturers and concept artists working on Babylonian art (you can see their Fishing Boat and Treasury being worked on amongst other things). As it totally doesn't make sense to finish one Pro civ and create another Pro civ before releasing the first, Romans must be a Premium civ. 4. In another video, they showed Rome points.? Rome is not under "shared currencies", that means it's not a shared region and definitely not a booster pack (as that'd be shared as well). It's under "region" currencies. Ever Premium civ has exactly one unique region currency. Currently there are Mycenae (Greek), Nubia (Egypt) and Massalia (Celts). The only civ that would make sense to have Rome as some sort of quest city would be the Romans themselves 5.) As Rome is a Premium civ, it cannot be the next one. Volunteer Community Moderator, Admin of Age Online Heaven Age of Empires Online PvP Live Gameplay & Commentary

• 	Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome Thank you! >I know the next civilization that will be released this fall.

• Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome oh my mind, idk I really don't care anymore on what the new civ is............. but you have to keep in mind the one year delay on celts was probably the tech tree overhual and the huge chunk of changes from summer patch still we may never know till time or the devs do its part edit:not one year more about 3 months or so Hooray celebrate with me!! I just earned the title of biggest noob and idiot of the year awards

• Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome First and foremost I wanted to say that some people have "leaked" information, trying to proof that Rome is the next civ. However, there's no point in those "leaks": If theres no point why does it matter if we talk about it. ? 1.) The information could simply be fake. Well if its fake then GPG can chuckle?evilly and laugh at us since they trolled us hard. Because they are the ones who ~leaked~ all of this information. The majority of the information about Rome and Babs (when it?happened) came to light when people read an XML file that came with the game. It wasn't packed in a bar file, nor was it scrambled in anyway. However discussing the contents of that file is a bannable offense.?How is it leaking when we already have the content on our machines, and can easily access it.?Worst case? Its fake, and GPG trolled us. Or the units were changed like every other game during development. Look at Mass Effect 3 and how chunks of the story text were in the demo's data files. Did Bioware turn around and start banning everyone, from talking about it on their forums? No. Or how Deus Ex Human Revolution E3 Demo was leaked, did Eidos make talking about it a bannable offense, even though technically it was stolen? Nope, they even went so far as to encourage discussion about their game, leading to more hype. However hypthothesising ?about the uses of the new potential units, is a bannable offense. So instead general gets filled with people crying about wanting to know who the next premium civ is, or the 50 threads?consisting?of everyone arguing and guessing over the next civilization.?Honestly what difference does it make? Would you rather people be brainstorming what is coming, or the General discussion forum to be filled with topics where everyone is arguing over who should it be.? Now i understand that you have some exclusive agreements for people to break the news (yeah Eurogamer breaking the news about Babylon was off their front page in almost an hour). However how are you even violating any rules when you are not breaking this information early. For all we know the developers just planted that stuff there to troll us.? Yeah we already know Rome is coming, nobody is arguing they aren't. Furthermore people aren't trying to ~prove old news~ people are trying to figure out what units/special tech is coming for Rome. However discussing any information beyond "Hurf derf rome is coming", pretty much borders on bannable.? ? But why aren't they the next civilization? I'm going to use official information only to proof this: 1.) They're working on a overhaul for the quest campaigns: We also intend a major re-thinking of the structure for the existing and future campaigns to improve the "build an empire" feel of Age of Empires. Work has started on these changes?but we aren't quite ready to divulge the details. Yet. If they're already working on it might be wise to just create the Roman campaing with that new structure in mind and just wait with their release until that structure is implemented for other civs also. 2.) They have been working on the Romans since January (see above). Developing a Pro civilization is a lot faster than developing a Premium civilization, because Premium civs usually come with new gear types and more advanced features than Pro civilizations as well as a dozens of quests. GPG worked on the Celts for nearly a year, this might also be true for the Romans. Between the release of Premium civs GPG always squeezed in a Pro civ. 3.) In the video I linked above the Roman art was already finished while they still had modelers, texturers and concept artists working on Babylonian art (you can see their Fishing Boat and Treasury being worked on amongst other things). As it totally doesn't make sense to finish one Pro civ and create another Pro civ before releasing the first, Romans must be a Premium civ. 4.) As Rome is a Premium civ, it cannot be the next one. Maybe they had problems turning Rome into a premium civilization. So they decided to make it a procivilization. Who knows? Saying otherwise is speculation. Also considering GPG has pointed out in the past they love leaving us red herrings, maybe making all that information about rome was a red herring. Who knows. Will it really?thwart?GPGs plans that people already know some of the units that Rome may possibly have? TLDR; Butthurt.?

• Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome I remembered another clue that a) Rome is in the works and b) that they're a Premium civ: 4. In another video, they showed Rome points.? Rome is not under "shared currencies", that means it's not a shared region and definitely not a booster pack (as that'd be shared as well). It's under "region" currencies. Ever Premium civ has exactly one unique region currency. Currently there are Mycenae (Greek), Nubia (Egypt) and Massalia (Celts). The only civ that would make sense to have Rome as some sort of quest city would be the Romans themselves Well if its fake then GPG can chuckle?evilly and laugh at us since they trolled us hard. Because they are the ones who ~leaked~ all of this information. The majority of the information about Rome and Babs (when it?happened) came to light when people read an XML file that came with the game. It wasn't packed in a bar file, nor was it scrambled in anyway. However discussing the contents of that file is a bannable offense.?How is it leaking when we already have the content on our machines, and can easily access it.?Worst case? Its fake, and GPG trolled us. Or the units were changed like every other game during development. I never said every info is fake, and nobody ever said the developers put fake info in their files. However everyone who "leaks" something can fake it and claim it as a leak. Look at Mass Effect 3 and how chunks of the story text were in the demo's data files. Did Bioware turn around and start banning everyone, from talking about it on their forums? No. Or how Deus Ex Human Revolution E3 Demo was leaked, did Eidos make talking about it a bannable offense, even though technically it was stolen? Nope, they even went so far as to encourage discussion about their game, leading to more hype. However hypthothesising ?about the uses of the new potential units, is a bannable offense. So instead general gets filled with people crying about wanting to know who the next premium civ is, or the 50 threads?consisting?of everyone arguing and guessing over the next civilization.?Honestly what difference does it make? Would you rather people be brainstorming what is coming, or the General discussion forum to be filled with topics where everyone is arguing over who should it be.? Now i understand that you have some exclusive agreements for people to break the news (yeah Eurogamer breaking the news about Babylon was off their front page in almost an hour). However how are you even violating any rules when you are not breaking this information early. For all we know the developers just planted that stuff there to troll us. Yeah we already know Rome is coming, nobody is arguing they aren't. Furthermore people aren't trying to ~prove old news~ people are trying to figure out what units/special tech is coming for Rome. However discussing any information beyond "Hurf derf rome is coming", pretty much borders on bannable.? The difference is that Rome is not coming very soon. There's no use hyping something that might not come out in the next three months or more. And there's no use discussing units that might very well undergo a change. Woad raiders weren't the Woad raiders we know when GPG first implemented it, Rams were an advisor units and Call to Arms worked like the one in WC3 and it wasn't a tech. Oh and GPG implemented Stone Throwers relatively late. Maybe they had problems turning Rome into a premium civilization. So they decided to make it a procivilization. Who knows? Saying otherwise is speculation. Also considering GPG has pointed out in the past they love leaving us red herrings, maybe making all that information about rome was a red herring. Who knows. Will it really?thwart?GPGs plans that people already know some of the units that Rome may possibly have? TLDR; Butthurt.? Why would they? Removing content is a waste of money. There are two definite clues that Rome is a Premium civilization, and a reasonable theory on top of that. You have nothing to proof that they turned Romans into a Pro civilization. There's not a single red herring that is in form of a screenshot or video. The only red herrings are jokes from AOEO Trajan. And most of his hints actually hinted towards the correct civ last time, not to a false one. Volunteer Community Moderator, Admin of Age Online Heaven Age of Empires Online PvP Live Gameplay & Commentary

• 	Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome I agree with you 100% alex. I am good for nothing noob player

• 	Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome Alexastor, thank you kindly for walking us through your thorough consideration of this topic. You raised some great points. Well done.?

• 	Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome I will just be happy to have 1 more marion a week, woot 6 days a week now yay me. soon 1 every day of the week. max and i will be sooooo happy. rofl ?But to OP great post loved it and a lot of great points tyvm for it. My Leg records 100% Paphos 29:42 Marion 44:41

• Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome ? I never said every info is fake, and nobody ever said the developers put fake info in their files. However everyone who "leaks" something can fake it and claim it as a leak. Assuming they fake a leak of lets say unit information, it would take 30 seconds for someone to check the files to prove them wrong. Anyone can extract the data files (There is even a full blown tutorial on the age of empires online wiki). I could go and say i am leaking that the next civilization is X, maybe one or two people might believe me, i would get to troll some people, and then someone would point out i am lying, or they would realize it when i have 0 proof (what good is creating fake files, when someone can verify it in 30 seconds).? ? The difference is that Rome is not coming very soon. There's no use hyping something that might not come out in the next three months or more. And there's no use discussing units that might very well undergo a change. Woad raiders weren't the Woad raiders we know when GPG first implemented it, Rams were an advisor units and Call to Arms worked like the one in WC3 and it wasn't a tech. Oh and GPG implemented Stone Throwers relatively late. Starcraft 2 took 3.5 years from when the game was announced, to when the game was released, the game changed an insane amount units were dropped, techs were dropped, new units were added, etc. People still talked about them because you know what? Its something to talk about. Since forums are supposed to be a community for a game.? GPG gave us all this cool information, but we aren't allowed to talk about it even though its basically sitting there asking for us to open it. That would give people something to get hyped about, who cares if the units don't make the cut, or change completely (Starcraft 2 had a ton of units cut between annoucement and release). Tons of people are waiting for Rome, to come back to play the game.? Why would they? Removing content is a waste of money. There are two definite clues that Rome is a Premium civilization, and a reasonable theory on top of that. You have nothing to proof that they turned Romans into a Pro civilization. There's not a single red herring that is in form of a screenshot or video. The only red herrings are jokes from AOEO Trajan. And most of his hints actually hinted towards the correct civ last time, not to a false one. Removing content isn't a waste of money when the revenue generated from finishing it and selling it, results in a net loss.?I misspoke, i was simply implying that anything is possible, we have not heard anything about Rome in ages. Furthermore there is no mention of another premium civilization coming after this next prociv.? The whole point i am trying to make, is this isn't a leak, merely discussing what GPG already gave us. If they didn't want to us to know about this information, then they wouldn't have: - Left a ton of Art for Rome in the data files? - Left Misc data files for Rome - Put the entire roman tech tree at the time in an XML File.?Separate?from the binary files.? You still haven't explained why letting people talk about this?publicly?available knowledge is a bad thing. I also fail to see how that is a 'bannable' offense since it hurts no one.?

• Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome For the developers it's important information is not leaked before any announcement to get proper media coverage and attention exactly when it is needed. And I doubt anyone will ban anyone for telling a couple of unit infos when the respective civilization is officially announced. "They gave us to look at" and "they have better things to do, namely adding a whole lot of features, civs and content instead of hiding old data from us" is a whole lot of a difference:? I think it might be even beneficial for you as a player not to leak any content as the developers will have to take bigger efforts to hide content, ultimately slowing down content production. And websites like the AoEO Wiki, the AoEO Database or the new AoEO Market won't be able work anymore. And let's get back to topic please. If you have any questions about moderation decisions, feel free to PM me or any other moderators. Volunteer Community Moderator, Admin of Age Online Heaven Age of Empires Online PvP Live Gameplay & Commentary

• 	Re: Why the next civilization is NOT Rome after reading this, i feel very happy (my guess for the civ is Phoenicia, they are a rival of Rome)? Thank you? Chief in staff of metaphorical medal recommending Member of the CTFC

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